realinterrobang ([info]realinterrobang) wrote,
@ 2006-01-21 04:55:00
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How To Choose A Career If You Don't Have A Penis
"Under Communism, man exploits man. Under capitalism, it's the other way around." The old threat was always, in the Soviet Union, the (eeevil) Communist government chose your job for you. In modern North America, the (eeevil) capitalist culture chooses it for you, especially if you're female. To quote Harlan Ellison, "This, damn them, is a personal account."

When I was in Gr. XII, I got called down to the office with the two other students whose names were alphabetically adjacent to mine in the Gr. XII roster, to talk about the possibility of our enrolling in community college (a post-secondary, certificate or diploma-granting institution). The three of us were sitting in the office, two guys and myself, and the then-vice-principal was giving us a lecture on the various programmes available at the Province's colleges. We'd been given books with lists of programmes at each college in the Province (sort of like a generalised prospectus), and were flipping through them. The VP himself was looking at a three-ring binder with our course lists and transcripts in it. At one point, the VP looked at the two guys and said, "Perhaps you want to look at police work, or electronics?" Then he looked directly at me and said, "And perhaps you'd like to look up ECE or nursing?"

I came halfway out of my chair in an outrage and said, "ECE or nursing?! I'd rather study auto mechanics!!"

The funny moral of the story is, later that night, I told my parents what had happened, and they were sure he didn't mean anything by it (ha ha, and that in itself is the subject of another rant), but agreed to talk to him at the next Meet the CreatureTeacher Night. Once there, they mentioned the incident, and he said, "Was she serious? There aren't any tech courses in her transcript."

(There you have it, folks. Simultaneously slimy, sexist, and clueless.)

The next instance I can remember was being in grad school and desperately, desperately needing my own computer. I had already decided that I was going to go into technical writing if at all possible once I graduated (itself a choice fraught with gender difficulties, because in many ways, technical writing is the 21st C. equivalent of the steno pool, and, although it is a vastly female-dominated profession these days*, the male technical writers still overwhelmingly tend to work in the higher-paid and higher-respected fields and positions). So, I had further decided that I needed the best computer I could possibly buy at the time (late 1998). I had about $2500 to spend (and even then, if you were smart and careful, you could get one hell of a computer for that kind of money). What's more, I had done my research and decided that I wanted a custom system, because that way I could be sure I was getting exactly what I wanted and needed. I had looked at pre-built systems at Costco and Office Despot and Staples, and I hadn't liked any of the then-available packages. I thought they were underpowered and emphasised too much flash and too little substance.

* The latest figures I have for female dominance in technical writing are from 1999, and at that time, according to the STC, some 70% of technical writers were female, which was actually a dramatic reversal that started in the 1970s and 80s.

I started calling around. At one of the first whiteboxers I called, the snarky-sounding guy "listened" (for a certain definition of "listen" which means something like "hear what you think the person is saying, and respond accordingly"), and then cut me off with, "I don't think you understand. We sell high-end custom systems here, and I really think you'd be much happier if you just went to Staples and bought something out of a box." I said, "I'm actually looking for a high-end custom system. I have about $2500 to spend, and I won't be spending it with you." (I really love how so many people think that they just know better than you do what would make you happy.)

The next egregious instance after that was after I had finally gotten some technical writing work (which took me some years to accomplish, because people kept offering me marketing writing jobs -- again, a gendered experience, because, even today, the perception is that women do marketing and men do technical work, regardless of how many women the STC counts), the IT consultant my boss hired to come in and do periodic maintenance on our network would do things like drop a CD-ROM on my desk, say to me, "I'll be back in 10 minutes to help you install that." He would consistently act surprised when, by the time he returned, I had the app up and running. I should probably point out that part of my job at the time was documenting usage procedures for a complex online VPN-accessible-only document management system involving some 40 or 60 thousand documents, and most of the rest was handling Material Safety Data Sheets (which, while not technical in the IT sense of the word, are definitely "technical documents"), and what was left over was writing course material for distance learning in occupational health and safety, industrial hygiene, and related subjects (like inferential statistics).

More recently, I have gone for interviews for technical writing jobs (a field in which I do, actually, have some experience) and was told more than once by the persons responsible for doing the hiring, "I really think you'd be happier in marketing or academia." Right. Again with the presumption of happiness which runs entirely counter to my own perception of what makes me happy.

(Being a rhetorician at heart, I really wonder about this curious framing of the issue. I suspect what they're actually saying is, "You'd make me less uncomfortable if...")

I've actually provided you with a link to my resume. Go click it and see if you can spot anything marketing-related on there. No? That's because there isn't any! I haven't done marketing writing in almost 10 years, other than self-promotional stuff for my business, and that's largely because marketing writing drives me fucking bananas, which is not "happiness" by any definition. Also, having done a stint in academia, I can tell you, technical writing is a lot less stressful. Perfectionist programmers aside, most of the time it's just you, the software, and your test environment.

Peace. Quiet. And the software doesn't care if you can piss your name in the snow or not.

On the other hand, a lot of people in the IT industry do. There's still a perception that women are not to be taken seriously, which is fed into in part by the programmerish mystery-religion mindset that if you don't program, or don't spend at least a significant amount of time grinding code every day, or at least know as much about computers as people who do, you're automatically basically a lesser life form. I had numerous clashes on the subject with my old boss' IT consultant (I kept calling him on his bullshit and he kept telling my boss that I couldn't possibly know what I was talking about, and my boss believed him over me). You can see the attitude writ large on sites like Slashdot, which is one of the reasons why I've pretty much given up on the "front page" stuff there and moved entirely into the journalling community. (Those who think that women are by default lesser IT lights should meet the female CEOs of Simpli and Phoenix Interactive, respectively, just to name two off the top of my head, both of whom are making more money, and wielding more power than any ten of the bigoted codemonkeys in question.)

So, each of these examples, I think, provides insight into some of the various mechanisms by which society can (attempt to) steer a person into a certain career path, many of which are themselves implicitly gendered. (In another post on feminist backlash and gender-role perception, I should discuss in detail the odd trend I noticed amongst my students -- taking a programme called Business Marketing -- where the vast majority of the males in the class wanted to go into sales, and the vast majority of the females wanted to go into marketing proper. I wish I knew why that was, but in my experience, marketing itself seems to be a "female" job -- like nursing, or ECE, hueh hueh...) Of course, sometimes this steering doesn't work, exactly, and the person persists in pursuing the career path anyway. I did it, but I have to wonder what consequenses have I incurred, exactly, for not taking the easy or societally-approved way out? My income-level-to-experience ratio would suggest that there's an economic cost, which may be the most significant cost of all...

This post was inspired by The Gender Gap. Part I: Theories at Echidne of the Snakes. I very highly recommend it. And give me my goddam quarter.

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Addendum: I should probably add, just in case anyone gets his nose out of joint, that I have encountered many, many male programmers who are decent, wonderful, and not inclined to look down on other people for any reason. You guys know who you are. The problem is, in the aggregate, they're a (cherished) minority. This isn't their fault. I'm not into the collective guilt or collective punishment trip. However, in this essay I am speaking in generalisations, so their exemplary behaviour gets washed out by normative bigotry and assholishness. Those who are genuinely on the well-behaved side of things will know exactly what I'm talking about.




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[info]dorable
2006-01-21 11:09 am UTC (link)
In elementary school shop class, they had two separate shop classes for boys and for girls. Sometimes the boys worked with wood while the girls sewed. Other times the boys programmed little Lego-Logo robots (remember those?) while the girls knitted. My half-hearted protests -- I actually programmed in Basic since second grade, and I'd have loved to learn Logo -- were met with a universal "Because you're a girl and they're boys" from both teachers and fellow female students. I say half-hearted because I didn't want to be transferred alone into the boys' class -- I was enough of an outcast as it was.

It was a long time ago, but not, like, in the fifties.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 11:31 am UTC (link)
I don't remember Lego-Logo robots, unfortunately. I never had any of the mechanised Lego, although I had a massive collection of Space Lego. *grin*

I doubt you're very much older than I am, somehow, judging by the pop culture you reference, and you might be younger. I'm coming up 31, so even in my anecdotes, we're still not talking about when dinosaurs walked the earth or anything.

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[info]dorable
2006-01-21 11:39 am UTC (link)
No, I'm 25, it's just that in Israel, it's considered (probably rightly) that a lot has changed since the eighties. I'm saying that if it happened to my generation, it's relevant to careers that women are choosing now.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 11:47 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I think from my experiences with Israelis and Israeli culture (indirectly, since I haven't been there, yet), in many ways, there's a lot more blatant sexism in the culture than there is in Canada. (Case in point, I remember being absolutely dumbfounded by an article I read in Haaretz about popular prescriptions for what pregnant women should and shouldn't eat. Wow. Here, it's "don't smoke, don't drink, take your folic acid, eat a balanced diet.")

Culturally speaking, also, Canadians tend to like to do their discrimination subtly and politely, so it's also much harder to nail down.

I could segue from this into my experiences negotiating the working world as a handicapped person, too, but I think that'd be too much cynicism for a while. *grin*

A lot here has changed since the 80s, as well. In many ways, at least in terms of perception of gender roles, it's gotten worse.

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[info]mecurtin
2006-01-21 02:36 pm UTC (link)
popular prescriptions for what pregnant women should and shouldn't eat

?? Besides alcohol=bad, folic acid=good? What is there? I mean, I got a *lot* of popular prescriptions aka old wives' tales about "Foods that probably won't make you throw up so much, maybe", but I think it all fell under the heading of "advice about things that might make you feel better", not "advice about how not to Hurt The Baby". Not to mention that I was *begging* for advice about not-throwing-up.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I didn't save it, but IIRC, it was called "Nine Months Without Tofu," and also pointed up shellfish, eggs, and a raft of other things as being bad for pregnant women, on what I felt were often quite spurious grounds. The tone of the article was that many of these things were just common sense. From what I recall, my impressions of the article were that any woman who was properly concerned about her pregnancy should put herself on a (to my mind) very restrictive diet. Cultural motivations aside, that still strikes me as sexism.

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[info]eviltomble
2006-01-21 08:50 pm UTC (link)
ISTR I've seen warnings that pregnant women shouldn't eat cottage cheese, maybe even on the tubs of the stuff themselves? Not sure about the other things though. 25lbs of prawns are IIRC supposed to have enough arsenic to kill an adult, perhaps foetuses OTOH are vulnerable to the sorts of quantities that somebody could conceivably* eat? Or else that bit about shellfish could be due to the risk of ptomaine, I dunno. As you say, it could mostly be just a cultural thing.

(*-no pun intended)

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[info]dorable
2006-01-21 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I read that Ha'aretz article and I was dumbfounded too. I think that pregnancy, in every country, is like a weird subculture that outsiders don't know a lot about. But even if the food thing is Israeli-specific, I'd ascribe it to national hysteria (you're never safe, you must find new ways to protect yourself) rather than sexism.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 03:18 pm UTC (link)
I don't know. To me there were definite sexist overtones to the whole thing, even if the general impetus for doing so comes out of a national hysteria. Are there popular prescriptions for what men should and should not eat if they want to father healthy children, or remain virile (to extend the analogy a bit)? The fact that the entire culture seems to expect that women need more protection (which oftentimes in practice becomes restriction) than men is to me absolutely sexist.

Luckluster hypothesised that one of the reasons he doesn't get many dates is that women don't see him as a very protecting figure, which, to him made perfect sense. Personally, I'm not looking to date "daddies," so it's kind of a moot point. There were certainly enough women flirting with him (and/or giving me envious glances) while he was here, although I doubt he noticed... (That may be part of the reason he has trouble getting dates; he misses the interested ones.)

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[info]dorable
2006-01-21 06:24 pm UTC (link)
Are there popular prescriptions for what men should and should not eat if they want to father healthy children, or remain virile (to extend the analogy a bit)?

Okay. I see this as the national obsession manifesting itself in a sexist way, as any national obsession would, in any country... :) Not as Israel being essentially more sexist than other countries. But whatever, maybe you're right, and I'm not even arguing that Israel isn't more sexist (it might be, for all I know).

Luckluster hypothesised that one of the reasons he doesn't get many dates is that women don't see him as a very protecting figure

Heh. Yeah, well. People always make generalizations about the opposite sex in these situations. It's hard to say anything based on one's own experience, because one would naturally get more attention in a foreign country, I think.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-23 03:46 am UTC (link)
one would naturally get more attention in a foreign country, I think.

Even with his mouth shut? *grin*

I wasn't trying to argue that Israel is more sexist than any particular country, I just think that in some ways, the sexism is a lot more overt and/or accepted as the Conventional Wisdom[TM]. Canadian culture is still plenty sexist, but we're in some ways worse, because the offenders damn well know they're doing something wrong, so they're all furtive and plausibly denying about it.

OT: I really like this Shotei Ha'Nevu'a disc I have, especially on my NEW STEREO! Do you know a good website where I can order the other ones?

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Ask Bob!
[info]blastedheath
2006-01-21 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Are there popular prescriptions for what men should and should not eat if they want to father healthy children, or remain virile (to extend the analogy a bit)?

Something tells me that this fellow knows:
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Re: Ask Bob!
[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Nah, he's just figured out the canonical 1950s housewife's recipe for success (stereotypical yes, but unfortunately common), which didn't include sex... Three martinis and a valium for lunch, and you'll have a smile on your face until bedtime!

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Re: Ask Bob!
[info]merde
2006-01-21 10:10 pm UTC (link)
not quite -- a Valium only lasts 4 hours, so you'd have to re-dose at 4pm and 8pm. and my mother always seemed to feel that four or five martinis were necessary with dinner as well.

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[info]mecurtin
2006-01-21 03:56 pm UTC (link)
I am pleased to report that in my NJ school district *all* of the seventh graders take wood shop (and actually make something useful!! we're still using the clock my daughter made), and *all* take sewing -- they make a kind of gym bag, quite useful. One of the amusing side-effects of the latter is that the fabric store stocks bolts of "boy-y" fabric (sports logos, camo, etc.) along with the "girly" fabric of the appropriate weight, and we were able to buy a very nice non-gender-coded pattern, too.

All the kids are encouraged to make the little Lego robots, though I'm told that "some of the boys in the Robotics Club have trouble dealing with the fact that Christina is better at it than they are."

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-21 04:14 pm UTC (link)
How odd. I never had to take a class like that in elementary school, and I got out of taking "Family Studies" (the only regular course my high school offered that fit the requirements of the Provincial curriculum) because the credits one received by being in the gifted programme counted towards that requirement as well. Goodness knows, given the curriculum in the FS course at the time, I would have been miserable if I had had to take it.

I can cook, probably better than the FS teacher at my high school, I can sew, and I understand how to do things like woodworking, although I don't do them voluntarily because of my personal prohibition against playing with hot things, fast things, or sharp things that aren't absolutely necessary to daily life (for me, cooking is necessary, but woodwork and, say, for instance, soldering isn't). The reason I try not to play with hot, fast, or sharp things more than necessary is that I have cerebral palsy, spastic quadriplegia, so stuff like that can more or less literally bite me on the ass.

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[info]rmd
2006-01-23 02:10 pm UTC (link)
ellen spertus has a good but now-old paper about this

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[info]cellio
2006-01-23 04:01 pm UTC (link)
I was born in the early 60s and the public schools I went to were sexist in how they steered people (down to "boys take shop, girls take home-ec, no exceptions", and the strong presumption that boys would take college-track classes and girls would learn how to type and take shorthand). I thumbed my nose at that, and I think they were a little embarrassed that their valedictorian was a girl who left a year early to go to college.

I, too, ended up in tech writing (after some years as a programmer), and I don't experience noticable gender bias in the workplace. However, to get there I had to prove myself in ways that, I suspect, men wouldn't have had to. I had to find bugs in their code, inconsistencies in their APIs, security flaws in the architecture...

Ironically, we now have two SDK writers (writing for programmers), both women, and three writers of end-user documentation, all male. That's a switch you don't often see!

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-23 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's true. In my experience, even within tech writing, there are gendered areas. End-user documentation (what I do most of the time) is primarily female, and stuff like engineering documentation and SDKs are predominantly male. I'm not sure about product documentation, because the only people I've met who did that kind of thing were female, but I suspect it leans the other way. (They were writing manuals for hand blenders and other kitchen gadgets, which may in itself be a female subset of a male field.)

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[info]siderea
2006-01-23 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Sing it, sister!

A child of the early 70s in the US, I got to go through the Kinder, Gentler Sexism. Of course, all students did both science and humanities, both shop and home ec. And being female, my accomplishments in Boy Fields got a vague nod, and my accomplishments in Girl Fields got gushing praise -- and support. And I saw the exact reverse happen to a male classmate who was drawn to the social sciences and writing, but steered by positive rewards into math and the hard sciences.

And it kept on. When I persisted in pursuing the sciences and the technical classes, where they could they steered me to the "girl" sciences, which is why, despite hating biology, is why I showed up in college with a years bio credit already: it was the only opportunity I got to do advanced science study.

Grrrr.

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[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-24 04:54 am UTC (link)
*chuckle* I like that, the Kinder, Gentler Sexism. I'm probably not too much younger than you are, since I was born in 1975. Agreed, on all counts. To make matters worse, I'm dyscalculic, so a lot of math and science type stuff is right out for me. I can understand statistics, probability, and logic (I like to tell people "that's not math, it's rhetoric in shorthand!"), but algebra, calculus, and geometry are pretty much lost causes.

My big breakthrough, that took me about 20 years to achieve was finally figuring out that the way you solve a quadratic equation is to reverse the operators and do what everyone'd been saying at me for years: "Do the same thing to both sides." That usually devolved into a conversation something like, "Do the same thing to both sides." "Do what same thing to both sides?" "Like this. See?" "No. I have no idea what you just did." "Start here." "But how do you know where to start and what to do?" and so on.

When I figured that out, I said, "You mean what you do is..." and my tutor said, "Yes," and I said, "Well, why the fuck didn't someone bloody tell me that years ago?!" (You have no idea how unfathomably angry that made me, because it wasn't something I was ever going to see in a million years left on my own, but it was so simple someone should have thought to tell me that.)

Even still, I'm a systems and processes geek, and even though I have a degree in English literature, I hated most of my classes. I realised too late that I probably would have been much happier doing linguistics, but there's always the PhD... *grin*

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Dyscalculic...
[info]pythor
2006-01-24 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Now you've given me an idea on how to help my son with algebra. He's preparing for premature SATs, and was having some trouble. Being that I am on the other end of the scale, and get almost all math instinctively, I was getting frustrated not knowing how to explain what he didn't understand. I tried to simplify as much as I could, but when you get to what your brain considers basic axioms, there's no deeper to go. Some people need the axioms spelled out, and I didn't know quite how to do it. Thanks for that.

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Re: Dyscalculic...
[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-25 04:21 am UTC (link)
Be careful about that. You can't just say something like "do the opposite thing" or something that needs a judgement call at all, if you're talking about someone with a learning disability. You have to make the process very clear and explicit (as in "reverse the operators"), because the person may not know what's being done, and/or what the "opposite" is.

I also have trouble judging salience, because to me, it's contextual. This gives me grief with standardised tests, because I don't necessarily have enough context to make a judgement about what they're looking for, and to me, a "defining characteristic" can change, so it's not quite as simple as all that. (An example of a changing defining characteristic by context is, suppose you've just tripped and fallen in a swimming pool. Someone hands you a blue towel. What you care about is that the towel is a towel. However, if you've just painted your bathroom blue, you may care more that the towel is blue than its intrinsic towelliness, if you get my drift.)

You will probably have to find new and interesting ways of phrasing things to get them to work, when trying to help your son. Also, it may help if you move analogically from something he does understand to something he doesn't, as in "This [thing that's giving you grief] works similarly to this [known quantity] like this, but is different in this way, and so on.

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Crazy!
[info]corky6921
2006-01-24 09:25 am UTC (link)
I followed a link from LeoPetr's journal on Slashdot and found...my company mentioned! Well, thanks... I thought that was pretty cool! n-e-ways, I friended you on /. I will be reading more.

-Erica

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Re: Crazy!
[info]realinterrobang
2006-01-24 11:41 pm UTC (link)
Hey there, yeah, I was talking to AntiFreeze about you, and he suggested I check out your site and your company and stuff.

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